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#: 22388 S13/GEOS in General
15-Mar-90 18:10:53
Sb: #GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
OK, how about if we start a Geos "Wish List" of programs, features,
enhancements, and so on- with a few "Pet Peeves" thrown in, for good measure?!
Mine is that BSW seems to have forgotten about us C= users; in that they
haven't released any NEW programs for
quite a while- or even upgraded the programs that do exist. Where's the C128
geoProgrammer? <]Dave[>
#: 22389 S13/GEOS in General
15-Mar-90 18:47:35
Sb: #22388-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: <]Dave[> 72030,661 (X)
Dave,
Sounds good to me, so, viola, a quick touch of Sysop magic, and a new thread
is born! <grin>
#: 22397 S13/GEOS in General
16-Mar-90 17:35:51
Sb: #22389-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Maybe after we get a couple dozen suggestions/gripes, we could download it,
print it out, and send it to BSWI already sent them a >4 PAGE< letter to give
them a little feedback; all I got back was their now-famous/notorious Generic
Form Letter. <]Dave[>
#: 22400 S13/GEOS in General
16-Mar-90 18:40:55
Sb: #22397-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ken Phelan 71530,461
To: <]Dave[> 72030,661 (X)
Here's a gripe off the top of my head. I can't access my georam from basic.
If you can access it from GEOS, you should be able to access it from the native
mode. Please release the necessary technical information.
#: 22403 S13/GEOS in General
16-Mar-90 19:14:26
Sb: #22400-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Joe Buckley 71570,2600
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461 (X)
Ken,
I thought the geoRam docs had some info on how to access it?
It should be only moderately more invovled than accessing an REU.
Joe s
#: 22404 S13/GEOS in General
16-Mar-90 21:32:48
Sb: #22403-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ken Phelan 71530,461
To: Joe Buckley 71570,2600 (X)
Hi Joe,
It states (verbatim) 'The Georam unit has 512K of ram which appear to the
system unit as 2048 256 byte pages. The device has two page select registers
(at $DFFE and $DFFF) to set up which page can be accessed by the processor.
The page select registers are 6 bits wide at $DFFE, and 5 bits wide at $DFFF.
Both are write only locations, so an image must be kept of their current state.
The memory itself appears as one 256 byte page at $DE00 to DEFF." And they
supply a small memory map. I've just recently dipped my toes in the
programming *waters and though I know what they are referring to there's no way
I could write something up that could access the ram. Memory management already
boggles my mind...without expansion...but if anybody else can use that info and
do something with it...I'll be standing outside the file section ready to
leech...
#: 22405 S13/GEOS in General
16-Mar-90 22:39:19
Sb: #22404-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461 (X)
Ken,
I agree with you. What the world needs is two short geoRAM demo programs,
one in BASIC and one in ML. I'm surprised that BSW doesn't seem to see the
benefits, to them, of making the unit useful to those who can't justify
purchasing one for GEOS use alone.
#: 22407 S13/GEOS in General
17-Mar-90 10:51:57
Sb: #22405-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ken Phelan 71530,461
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Your right. If they release info/programs that allow access to the ram in
basic they would have on their hands they least expensive ($129.95), most
convenient (requires no external power supply) 512K ram expander in the
commodore market. Meanwhile I'm going to attempt to write up some code that
will access it. If you see smoke rising over the state of Mass, don't worry,
it's only me blowing up CMOS chips. By the way, after opening it up I
discovered that there are no custom chips (I don't think so, anyway). The
majority including the ram chips are from TI, with one from Moto and one from
Phillips. I don't have a reference to indentify their functions and would like
to find out. Does anybody have Semiconductor Identifying Manual that could
help me out in this matter? Thanks. s e
#: 22412 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 00:16:06
Sb: #22407-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Alan R. Dickey 72220,115
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461 (X)
My geoWishes:
24 pin printer drivers
300 dpi printer drivers for HP printers
geoProgrammer 128 (though flag setter by our friend has been a godsend!)
will a postscipt cartridge on a HP laser printer run on our machines under
GEOS? color in 80 columns with 128Ds or expanded 128s
use made of 64VDC on 128s
a geoGraphic terminal/bbs with u/l & d/l of geos file without conversion
a BSW 3 1/2" boot disk
the fabled Commodore/Apple II/IBM geoNet
the fabled update to the BSW programmer's referance guide
#: 22413 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 00:57:31
Sb: #22412-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: Alan R. Dickey 72220,115 (X)
Alan,
Good wishes! By the way, with Maverick, you don't have to wait for BSW on
the 1581 GEOS boot disk. I've been booting GEOS 64 2.0 and 128 2.0 from the
1581 for some months now. It doesn't work with the geoRAM version of GEOS, but
I see there's a new version of Maverick in the catalogs, and that may have been
addressed.
#: 22421 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 19:27:41
Sb: #22413-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
Ed: does the 1581 boot work with the 1581 as device > 9 < ? I've got my system
set up with my poor old 1541 as 8, and the 1581 as 9; I could reverse that if I
had to, but I'd kinda prefer to leave it alone, if I could. <]Dave[>
#: 22425 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 19:51:38
Sb: #22421-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: <]Dave[> 72030,661 (X)
Dave,
I don't think the Maverick version will permit booting from 9, no. I have
mine as 8, since I can boot GEOS, and CP/M, and Dialogue 128, and CSDOS, and
just about anything I use regularly from it. There's a 1571 as 9, mainly used
for moving files between C= and CP/M, and an old 1541, usually powered off, as
an alternate 8, for the few things that require it.
#: 22443 S13/GEOS in General
19-Mar-90 16:30:21
Sb: #22425-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
I kinda figured I'd have to do that, but I was hoping..... <]Dave[>
#: 22428 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 20:42:14
Sb: #22421-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ronald B. Romine 72220,1726
To: <]Dave[> 72030,661 (X)
The 1581 Boot makers that comes on RUN magazine's GEOS COMPANION DISK, allows
you too boot GEOS from drive #9.
#: 22444 S13/GEOS in General
19-Mar-90 16:31:17
Sb: #22428-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Ronald B. Romine 72220,1726 (X)
Ron: thanks, I needed that- Iwas thinking about getting the 1581 booter, but
wanted to know a little more about it first. Thanks again. <]Dave[>
#: 22480 S13/GEOS in General
21-Mar-90 23:46:15
Sb: #22413-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Alan R. Dickey 72220,115
To: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032 (X)
I have Maverick, but I am not happy with the way it boots on drive 10. I have
1571s and unit 8 & 9 while the 1581 is 10. When I boot (nine is turned off-a
ram 1571 is set up the config) up, the only drive active is the 1581. I have
to use config to get the other drives on line.
#: 22414 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 11:44:09
Sb: #22412-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Joe Buckley 71570,2600
To: Alan R. Dickey 72220,115 (X)
Alan,
Some of those wishes have been acted upon:
You can get a 3.5" GEOS boot disk with either the Maverick boot maker,
Jim Collette's boot maker from the RUN GEOS companion disk, or my own ANY BOOT
system.
The 'Hitchhiker's Guide to GEOS' is available on a pseudo-sharewarelike
basis. Several people have this unbound collection of mainly laser printed
technical notes which they can copy and distribute for only the cost of
duplication.
While there haven't been many programs that use color on GEOS 128, they
do exist.
If RUNever gets around to publishing my PaintView III, you can view
geoPaints in full color on the 80 column screen with some added features for
those with the 64K RAM chip-set.
Joe
#: 22422 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 19:28:50
Sb: #22414-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Joe Buckley 71570,2600 (X)
Joe: what are you asking for your ANY BOOT, and will it allow me to boot from
my 1581 as device > 9 <? <]Dave[>
#: 22481 S13/GEOS in General
21-Mar-90 23:48:30
Sb: #22414-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Alan R. Dickey 72220,115
To: Joe Buckley 71570,2600 (X)
Joe:
Do you have a source for the "Hitchhiker's Guide"???
Thanks,
Alan
#: 22482 S13/GEOS in General
22-Mar-90 01:13:41
Sb: #22481-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Joe Buckley 71570,2600
To: Alan R. Dickey 72220,115
Alan,
Yup, sure do. I got it direct from BSworks about two months ago.
Joe
#: 22420 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 19:26:16
Sb: #22412-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Alan R. Dickey 72220,115 (X)
How about a geoARC? (laughing noises going up sleeve.....) <]Dave[>
#: 22418 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 19:25:20
Sb: #22407-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461 (X)
If you can give me the chip numbers, I can get the whole data sheets for you-
what they are, what's on which pin, etc, etc. remember
that I AM an electronics tech- I can give you the TI and Motorola stuff just
from the library I have here at home! <]Dave[>
#: 22423 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 19:41:26
Sb: #22418-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ken Phelan 71530,461
To: <]Dave[> 72030,661 (X)
Thanks Dave...here goes.
TMS44C256-10N (4 chips) SN74HC157N (3 chips) SN74HC139N (1 chip )
SN74HC378N (2 chips) SN74HC10N (1 chip )
The above are all the TI chips and (except for the memchips) standard.
MC74HC194 (1 chip-moto) 74HC74N (1 chip-phil)
Those 2 look like standard #'s also. Well, so much for the warranty. I
appreciate your help. s
#: 22440 S13/GEOS in General
19-Mar-90 16:28:41
Sb: #22423-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461 (X)
I'll upload diagrams of the chips as a geoPaint for you tomorrow. Right off
the top of my head, I can tell you that the 44c256's look to be your memory
chips (I'll double check, to make sure), the HC378s are bus drivers, the 194 is
a clock/divider, the HC74 is a flip-flop, and the HC10 is a plain-vanilla gate.
More to follow. <]Dave[>
#: 22454 S13/GEOS in General
19-Mar-90 19:20:14
Sb: #22440-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ken Phelan 71530,461
To: <]Dave[> 72030,661 (X)
Thanks alot! Information...and in GeoPaint format to boot!
#: 22467 S13/GEOS in General
20-Mar-90 16:32:48
Sb: #22454-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461
No problem; I just hope you're able to retrieve it! <]Dave[>
#: 22452 S13/GEOS in General
19-Mar-90 18:47:30
Sb: #22423-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461 (X)
Ken: Quick and dirty, here's what your chips are: 44C256- 1Meg (256K x 4)
DRAMs; 74HC74- dual d-type flip-flop; 74HC10- 3-input NAND gates; 74HC139- dual
2-to-4 decoder; 74HC157- quad 2-to-1 selector/multiplexer; 74HC194- 4-bit
bi-directional shift register; and the 74HC378 is a Hex d-type flip-flop. I've
uploaded
a geoPaint with pin-outs, signal names, etc; you might check with Ed (are you
listening, Ed?) to see if he can move it over to where you can get it; if not,
perhaps he can suggest how I can send it directly to you thru CServe. Shucks, I
didn't even have to check any of the books at work- I had all the chips listed
in my stuff here at home. When you said a Phillips chip, I was worried that
you might have a PAL or something; but it was only the 74HC74, which is a
standard part.
I hope this (and the geoPaint) helps. <]Dave[>
#: 22455 S13/GEOS in General
19-Mar-90 19:31:54
Sb: #22452-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ken Phelan 71530,461
To: <]Dave[> 72030,661 (X)
You know, the response time on this board is phenomenol. Not only do I have
the hardware breakdown of the ram but I can now access it ithe native mode. I
probably won't be heard from for awhile because I'll be attempting to use
everything I've recently learned. You guys are great...thanks! 'The basic prog
to access basic didn't work as it was printed...but with a little
head-scratching I have a primitive prog that works. I appreciate the help.
#: 22461 S13/GEOS in General
20-Mar-90 01:47:41
Sb: #22455-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Todd Heimarck/Sysop 76703,3051
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461 (X)
Ken:
The program didn't work? Sorry about that. Glad that you figured out how
to fix it. Do you think any other geoRAM users would want to use the program?
If so, why not upload it when you get time. Uploading is free on CompuServe,
so it wouldn't cost you anything.
ToddH
#: 22462 S13/GEOS in General
20-Mar-90 07:32:36
Sb: #22461-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ken Phelan 71530,461
To: Todd Heimarck/Sysop 76703,3051 (X)
Todd,
It was just a couple of small errors (like 'Type mismatch' in the retrieve
part) but I do intend to put it back up here. I appreciate your assistance as
it was a great guideline and extremely instructive. I'm going to post it as a
message as soon as I can figure out how to u/l as a post.
#: 22419 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 19:26:04
Sb: #22404-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Todd Heimarck/Sysop 76703,3051
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461 (X)
Ken:
Given that information, it should be pretty easy to write a memory
management program. In BASIC, you'd have to do a lot of PEEKs and POKEs, but
it's all right there. My only question is that they say 6 bits at $DFFE and 5
bits at $DFFF. There are 8 bits, so which are the 6 and the 5?
I don't have a geoRAM unit, but I can write you a short program if you'll
tell me which bits to use (for example, it's probably bits 0-5 or bits 2-7 for
$DFFE).
ToddH/Sysop
#: 22426 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 19:52:49
Sb: #22419-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ken Phelan 71530,461
To: Todd Heimarck/Sysop 76703,3051 (X)
the page select registers ($DFFE) and the high 5 bits of the page select
registers ($DFFF). Thanks for taking an interest in this subject. I'll
continue to plod along and try to accomplish something regardless of what you
might come up with. This is an educational experience and I'm learning quite a
bit (no pun intended) from it. Thanks for your help.
#: 22427 S13/GEOS in General
18-Mar-90 19:54:59
Sb: #22426-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ken Phelan 71530,461
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461 (X)
Oh boy...I couldn't read the first line of my message. It read: The low 6
bits...etc.
#: 22431 S13/GEOS in General
19-Mar-90 04:30:00
Sb: #22426-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Todd Heimarck/Sysop 76703,3051
To: Ken Phelan 71530,461 (X)
Ken:
Great! That should be enough information to write a short program that
writes a byte to the geoRAM cartridge and then reads it back in. Here's the
test program. Let's say you have a character (ASCII 123) and you want to go
out and put it into location 456,789.
10 T$ = CHR$(123): REM THIS IS THE TEST CHARACTER
20 L = 456789: REM THIS IS THE MEMORY LOCATION
30 PRINT "TEST:",ASC(T$)
40 GOSUB 300
50 PRINT"IT SHOULD BE IN MEMORY":POKE B2,0:POKE B1,0:POKE 56932+B0,0
60 GOSUB 400
70 PRINT "IN MEMORY:",ASC(T$),"123 MEANS YES, 0 MEANS NO"
80 END
200 B2=0:B1=0:B0=0: REM THREE BYTES FOR THE ADDRESS, 6, 5, AND 8 BITS
201 TEMP1 = INT(L/256)
202 B0 = L - (TEMP1*256): REM WE HAVE BYTE 0 NOW
203 L = INT(L/256): REM SHIFT 8 BITS RIGHT
204 TEMP1 = INT(L/32)
205 B1 = (L - (TEMP1*32))*8: REM BYTE 1 NOW
206 L = INT(L/32): REM SHIFT 5 BITS RIGHT
207 B2 = L: REM BYTE 2
210 POKE 57342, B2: REM THE HIGHEST 6 BITS GO INTO $DFFE
220 POKE 57343, B1: REM THE NEXT 5 BITS GO INTO $DFFF
240 RETURN
300 GOSUB 200: POKE 56932+B0, ASC(T$): RETURN: REM STORE THE BYTE
400 GOSUB 200: T$=PEEK(56932+B0):RETURN: REM RETRIEVE IT
Type in this program and if it prints "123" twice, it worked. If it prints
"123" and then "0", it didn't work. It probably looks like gibberish, but if
what you quoted from the geoRAM docs was right, I think the program should
work. If the program worked but you don't understand the program, let me know
and I'll explain in more detail.
#: 22490 S13/GEOS in General
22-Mar-90 22:02:00
Sb: #22388-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Anthony Marsh 72127,2301
To: <]Dave[> 72030,661 (X)
I started a wish list thread a long time ago, maybe it was saved. My biggest
peeve of the inconsequential variety is that no one programs the function keys.
I would love to use the same macros in GEOTERM that I use in BTP. Zero learning
curve. Tony
#: 22494 S13/GEOS in General
23-Mar-90 10:02:42
Sb: #22490-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Joe Buckley 71570,2600
To: Anthony Marsh 72127,2301
Tony,
I agree about the F-Keys.
While they are very few-and-far-between, there are a couple of programs
that do use them.
Not nearly enough though.
Joe
#: 22498 S13/GEOS in General
24-Mar-90 10:52:02
Sb: #22490-#GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: <]Dave[> 72030,661
To: Anthony Marsh 72127,2301
I agree- there are a LOT of capabilities of the C= machines that BSW kinda left
out: like the sound chips, 80-column color (for 128's),
and so on. MY peeves are the "almost-but-not-quite" implementations of some
of the programs- like font choices in geoFile and 'Calc,
being limited to ONE PAGE in geoFile (and not having a field understand
carriage returns!), being able to change printer drivers,
(from within an application), no dynamic scrolling in geoPaint, and so on.
crud. <]Dave[>
#: 22500 S13/GEOS in General
24-Mar-90 13:28:24
Sb: #22498-GEOS wishes & peeves
Fm: Ed Flinn/Sysop 76703,4032
To: <]Dave[> 72030,661
Dave,
I think my pet peeves on geoFile are the inability to easily import or
export information in large quantities, and the inability to change the sort
field. Not to mention that they *still* haven't completely debugged the
wandering OK box for defining a search form in gF 128!